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Electric Guitar

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Censorship
«: December 15, 2009, 07:50:32 PM»
I've seen a lot of censorship lately and it's become more noticeable as I've watched tv shows/movies that I've seen before. To me it's really become quite silly. What's your take on it? Do you think it's necessary or do you find it unnecessary?


Offline Zim

Re: Censorship
«Reply #1: December 15, 2009, 07:56:21 PM»
Depends on what kind of censorship you mean.

1952: You couldn't say "pregnant" on television. Instead, you had to say things such as "with child" and "expecting."

1956: After one episode of Ed Sullivan featuring Elvis, all future segments with the musician were shot from the waist up because of his gyrating pelvis.

1964 - 66: Bellybuttons on women are forbidden from being shown on television.

This is just a (very) brief snippet of how censorship USED to be. They're a lot more lenient now with things.

Unless, of course, you're referring to political censorship, which you should state because you original post is incredibly vague and does not really give a good idea of what your argument is.

I'm only mean out of necessity.

Offline Tyto

Re: Censorship
«Reply #2: December 15, 2009, 08:19:02 PM»
I wrote a paper on censorship in like 8th grade. I find it rather stupid to what's censored just because of a few cuss words or the "n word". Children will eventually learn about those words. I only think censorship is any good against sexually/all about sex type of books. I don't know, but that's just me.

Electric Guitar

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Re: Censorship
«Reply #3: December 15, 2009, 08:44:56 PM»
Ah I'm sorry to be so vague. Just certain things I find to be a bit ridiculous. I'm of the belief that if a kid really want's to see something, they will find a way to see it anyway. Not that certain censorships are justifiable. I can totally understand if a scene is too violent or too sexually inappropriate.

Some of things I've found a bit tedious:

1. Radio censorships. Cuss words and such. Kids hear these words anyway and mature so much faster these days that I find these censorships unnecessary.

2. Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transexual. Do I really need to explain this one?

3. Certain scenes deemed to too graphic/inappropriate (?) for viewers. I watched The Jungle Book (realistic version) on Cartoon Network and they edited out scenes that made no sense to me. For instance, "bloody elephants."  A cuss word in Britain, but really? I didn't get that one. Another edit they made is they removed parts of a scene where a guy dies in a booby trap where he basically drowns in sand.

edit: What kind of censorships apply to politics? Haven't heard of that kind of censorship before.

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Offline Narnia

Re: Censorship
«Reply #4: December 15, 2009, 09:01:06 PM»
I find it funny that you can say damn on the radio and TV, but generally not god or hell.
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Offline Mychelle

Re: Censorship
«Reply #5: December 15, 2009, 09:35:59 PM»
I find it funny, that in the 5th grade our teacher showed us a PG-13 movie that had a brief showing of a woman in a bar that had her shirt open and her nipples covered by star-sticker-things, but that was it.

And apparently it was PG-13 because the nipples were not showing. Sorry, but to me its still nearly blatant full on nudity. And to be shown in school of all things to a class-full of students.
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Victor

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Re: Censorship
«Reply #6: December 15, 2009, 10:27:51 PM»
the only thing i don't agree with:

1. Radio censorships. Cuss words and such. Kids hear these words anyway and mature so much faster these days that I find these censorships unnecessary.

the reason that they 'mature' so much quicker these days is, in my opinion, less censorship. taking away the censorship and making it more risque will make them grow up even faster. it's a cycle.

also, things are on certain channels that can be blocked (DTV and cable for example) by parents via the V-Chip and things on broadcast TV/radio cannot air between certain hours when the kiddies are usually sleepin. i personally think that's fine.


i really don't want to have the radio on in the car and have my kid with me suddenly ask what the word 'fuck' or 'cunt' means because he just heard it on what i assumed was family friendly radio...

kids will find it if they WANT to find it. doesnt mean we need to make it EASIER for them to do so or even shove it in their faces (or ears).


edit: im a father irl with a baby boy,  so i probably can relate to the issue differently than most people who don't have kids. i think if you thought about it from a parental perspective you'd understand a bit better.

and also, i feel there's zero shame in the human body and have no problems with it. it wouldn't be such a taboo if people didn't make it that way. for example, if women want to walk around topless, why is that any different than a man with moobs doing the same?? (aside from the fact that we would all much prefer the topless female 9 times out of 10...)
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Cup Ramen

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Re: Censorship
«Reply #7: December 15, 2009, 11:26:45 PM»
We touched lightly on this topic in English class recently. We read "Of Mice and Men", which is full of profanity and adult content.

Now that I've been exposed to this stuff since I was little (guys, it's going to happen no matter what you do), am I going around dropping the F-bomb in every sentence, dressing like a slut, sleeping around, or punching people in the face when they make me angry? No, I am not.

In fact, I am quite morally sound. I am a fully functional person, even though I am constantly exposed to this stuff. What if I had been constantly sheltered until I was "the right age"?

So, a little bit of exposure is fine. We definitely don't need to be shoving it down kids' throats or anything, but seeing a bit of violence and why it's bad or learning why a word is bad and why we shouldn't use it is a good thing in the long run. It's largely the responsibility of parents and those who care for children to tactfully do this. The media is not there to parent our children. That's what the V chip and other parental controls are for.

As for censorship of the human body... well, as an "artist", I personally think that the human body is a beautiful thing. But, it kind of depends on the context that it is being exposed. A stripper is way different than a life drawing model. What kids don't need to see is the human body as a sexual object, especially the kind of sexuality that is put out by pornographic material. They should learn that there are things that make the male and female body beautiful in different ways, and that there is nothing to be ashamed of.

Electric Guitar

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Re: Censorship
«Reply #8: December 16, 2009, 12:45:00 AM»
Nicely said Wings. :)

Sb

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Re: Censorship
«Reply #9: December 16, 2009, 08:46:00 PM»
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We read "Of Mice and Men", which is full of profanity and adult content.

I read that in 10th grade a long time ago. I really enjoyed that book :P

(Violence/Sex censorship)
I think censorship is pretty stupid in some cases, and in others, not so much. If I had a child and they were 11-12 years old, I wouldn't let them go and see a Rated R movie. I don't think someone who is 11 years old is mentally ready for a movie showing sex scenes, or heavy violence.

On the other hand, we watched The Happening on a band field trip (Which is Rated R for violence), but when we asked to watch Underworld, we weren't allowed because of the brief sex scene that was shown. I'm pretty sure a group majorly made up of seniors, age 17 and 18, can handle a 2 minute sex scene in a movie.

(Words)
I have no problem of 'foul language' being used. I was raised with my parents, parents friends, and even family saying the word Fuck in sentences. Cursing is more common now a days then it was back then. My teachers even use foul language in class all the time, especially when they get angry at people.

Of course, you wouldn't expect Spongebob running around saying "Gay, Fuck, Bastard, etc.etc." and even if he did, parents can block it out.

I guess what I'm getting at is, Censorship is alright to a certain extent

Victor

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Re: Censorship
«Reply #10: December 17, 2009, 08:08:06 PM»
profanity/violence =/= the same as obscenity. for example, they can show violent movies like Terminator or whatever after a certain time on regular boradcasting (when the kiddies go to bed), but NEVER can show a sex scene.
so your teacher was probably just covering her own ass. it's not whether she 'thought you could handle it'. as a teacher, she isn't your parental guardian, and if word had gotten around that you guys watched a sex scene (however short it may be), there is a far greater chance that parents would have been pissed or even taken action.

not saying that this was the same case for you guys, but a lot of kids tend to think they are 'a totally mature adult' from the time they can say the words strung together, so your word that you feel that you are 'mature enough' usually doesn't mean anything.

Cup Ramen

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Re: Censorship
«Reply #11: December 17, 2009, 08:23:53 PM»
We watched a version of Romeo and Juliet in my freshman English class that showed some full-on Romeo ass and and some Juliet boob, and nobody complained.

Victor

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Re: Censorship
«Reply #12: December 17, 2009, 08:40:14 PM»
We watched a version of Romeo and Juliet in my freshman English class that showed some full-on Romeo ass and and some Juliet boob, and nobody complained.

the nude human body is different than a full-on sex scene. ass and a tit as opposed to a full on shot of an erection or gratuitous shots of two people fucking, unless it is for sexual education purposes, is considered obscene. what you described is just risque.

Offline Trekka

Re: Censorship
«Reply #13: March 07, 2010, 07:32:25 PM»
Censorship sometimes is ridiculous. You can't say the word "drugs" on the radio (referring to a few songs I used to listen to, specifically The City Is At War by Cobra Starship, where the one line "with designer drugs and designer friends" was changed to "designer clothes") but you can show major cleavage and naked bodies on television.
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Offline Fallon

Re: Censorship
«Reply #14: March 08, 2010, 02:20:47 PM»
I find it funny that you can say damn on the radio and TV, but generally not god or hell.

That would make TONS of religious problems.

In 7th grade we watched the Titanic, none of it was censored. In 8th grade we watched this Rated R movie that had to do with the Civil War that included people's limbs being chopped off, head's blowing up, brains everywhere, and a lot of gore. Stuff like that at too young of a age is a bit much, I understand watching Titanic in 7-8th grade but the civil war movie was a bit graphic for people of that age.